C:MD/C:R Scrapped Content Thread

FatCat · Post by **FatCat** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:35 pm

In this thread, we'll post/discuss things that end up on the cutting room floor of C:R!

I'll start with a juicy one!

Here's how the super early Eagle used to look like before it was completely rebuilt from the ground up. :O

hazardic · Post by **hazardic** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:27 pm

is it in the files? if so, could you make a proper car from it - i like it dammit! more than vanilla. i like exhausts and side intakes. or it's just a ps?

FatCat · Post by **FatCat** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:38 pm

hazardic wrote:is it in the files? if so, could you make a proper car from it - i like it dammit! more than vanilla. i like exhausts and side intakes. or it's just a ps?

Unfortunately, the only remnants of it that i found in the game files were the rims, everything else is gone. Also, i love it more than the new Eagle too =D I really hope Stainless includes it as an unlockable after you beat the game or something and doesn't just leave it out completely. :<

Deadhart · Post by **Deadhart** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:03 pm

Hot damn that IS better than the one that made it ingame! I mean... DAT BLOWER! Also, it looks more alike the C1 Eagle.

Psyrgery · Post by **Psyrgery** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:07 pm

FatCat wrote:
hazardic wrote:is it in the files? if so, could you make a proper car from it - i like it dammit! more than vanilla. i like exhausts and side intakes. or it's just a ps?

Unfortunately, the only remnants of it that i found in the game files were the rims, everything else is gone. Also, i love it more than the new Eagle too =D I really hope Stainless includes it as an unlockable after you beat the game or something and doesn't just leave it out completely. :<

Amazing discovery FatCat!

It resembles one of the first Eagle's concept art, plus a bit of ol' Eagle 1 at the front.

I love it!, hope Stainless includes it in some sort of DLC or as a free download

FatCat · Post by **FatCat** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:26 pm

Psyrgery wrote:
Amazing discovery FatCat!

It resembles one of the first Eagle's concept art, plus a bit of ol' Eagle 1 at the front.

I love it!, hope Stainless includes it in some sort of DLC or as a free download

You know what's so special about this particular design of the eagle? It looks 90s futuristic, unlike the new one which is more modern futuristic.

KakkaHousu · Post by **KakkaHousu** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:28 pm

How you get that pic if there is only rims for it?

For anyone who hadn't see, there is another pic of same car:

Rims are ugly and something other things I dislike but it has potential. Fat Cat, you need to remake that car if Stainless don't give it us.

FatCat · Post by **FatCat** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:35 pm

KakkaHousu wrote:How you get that pic if there is only rims for it?

Nobby posted a pic of his quadcopter in a recent thread, i clicked the pic to make it bigger, it took me to his photobucket, and that picture was in his photobucket. :3

CzechDeath · Post by **CzechDeath** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:08 pm

FatCat wrote:
KakkaHousu wrote:How you get that pic if there is only rims for it?

Nobby posted a pic of his quadcopter in a recent thread, i clicked the pic to make it bigger, it took me to his photobucket, and that picture was in his photobucket. :3

so maybe ester egg from Nobby?

deadsheep · Post by **deadsheep** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:58 pm

Woah, never seen that one. I have to be honest though, I'm glad they gave up on that one. It does have potential, but it just looks odd, and very cartoonish.

The headlights do look cool, and i'm digging these side exhausts and the significantly wider back, it feels more C2ish.

However, I'm not too happy with the current Eagle either.

I think the current Eagle could borrow some of the aggressiveness of that earlier one.

Anyways, this is just my opinion and everyone has the right to disagree.

Breakin'Benny · Post by **Breakin'Benny** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:12 pm

That white-colored concept art Eagle R... is it supposed to say that the Eagle and Hawk aren't going to be the only cars you can pick a color for? It's a nice idea for multiplayer, as I could get tired of the same colors on the cars. Hands up for Caddy FatCat coloured with urine?

AlexTSK · Post by **AlexTSK** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:15 pm

So I've been asking for it for a few weeks and he had it in his Photobucket all along? xD

Glad I've seen it, top views look wonderful xD

FatCat · Post by **FatCat** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:21 pm

Breakin'Benny wrote:That white-colored concept art Eagle R... is it supposed to say that the Eagle and Hawk aren't going to be the only cars you can pick a color for? It's a nice idea for multiplayer, as I could get tired of the same colors on the cars. Hands up for Caddy FatCat coloured with urine?

I think Nobby once mentioned something about being able to swap rims and car colors at one point, but i cant be sure! I'd love to be able to give my cars unique colors during the career mode, maybe even tune each car with sliders too. =D

Like for example: Accel vs TopSpeed

Ride height Front & Rear

Soft vs Solid suspension

SUSPENSION WOBBLINESS (for caddy fatcat especially)

Tire profile size

Understeer vs Oversteer

Grip Front vs Rear

Brake strenght Front vs Rear

While you could only edit these parameters within certain values and couldn't increase car strength and weight beyond the APO upgrades, the fine tuning of cars could really make the Career cars have that extra edge over the Freeplay cars without feeling unfair =D

Trent · Post by **Trent** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 9:14 pm

Breakin'Benny wrote:That white-colored concept art Eagle R...

Do you mean the screenshot with the splattered cows? That's nothing to do with changing colours, that screenshot was just taken before the car's textures were made.

AlexTSK · Post by **AlexTSK** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:40 pm

I actually wanted to remake that car based on whatever it looked like, and now that I have finally seen it i'm definitely not so keen on the idea, I guess the top view was deceptive :)

Also here's what Nobby said to me in his PM when I asked whether or not I could get the old model so that I could fluff it up and get it in game

"It's a long shot (possibly more likely to be something that dev would consider once the game is out) but I will ask them what they think about this idea. One answer might be that we dropped this Eagle because once we'd "lived with it" for a time it became apparent that none of us liked it, and so we'd rather it never saw the light of day. However, you may well be able to improve it and prove us wrong!"

I doublt the team would actually make it a downloadable/included car, but it could be rebuilt by someone given enough demand I suppose :)

KakkaHousu · Post by **KakkaHousu** » Fri Nov 21, 2014 6:15 am

Bloodstability wrote:I doublt the team would actually make it a downloadable/included car, but it could be rebuilt by someone given enough demand I suppose

Nobby's answer for Fat Cat:

nobby wrote:Don't worry - just remind me once the game's launched, and I'll sneak the model over to you. But don't tell anyone else! ;)

I agree it looks better on top view.

FatCat · Post by **FatCat** » Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:26 am

You know Housu, i kinda wish it could just be released for everybody instead of just for me, i would love to have a multiplayer match where 10 different types of Eagles duke it out, including super early alpha eagles. =D

KakkaHousu · Post by **KakkaHousu** » Fri Nov 21, 2014 12:23 pm

But you can port it for game and release it. Or have you some contract with Nobby you can't release it for general use? Or you mean as official part of game so it can be played in MP servers which doesn't support mod cars?

FatCat · Post by **FatCat** » Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:16 pm

Kakka, i'm not sure, i'd really have to ask Nobby if i could make it a mod available for download. It seems like their team really didn't want that eagle to see the light of day. :P

Mad_Maxine · Post by **Mad_Maxine** » Sat Nov 22, 2014 5:49 pm

Im a little late to the party, but ya, hi, I wonderd what those wheels were for, the concept wheels from the eagle you first posted are still in game files, because I put them on my eagle once.. But I guess you allready knew that?

I dont really like that eagle too much, it felt too overkill, vents, side exhausts, huge intake, huge side intakes, it seems to be trying too hard... remove the blade and we got a blood drive car. but no doubt a bunch of people will find it in the future in one of those lost content things... because you know what happens 'Missing content?... its better than whats ingame' no matter what they allways say that.

Its a shame about the white concept eagle tho.. Its a shame we never really got to see it, it kinda looks how I imagine a remaking of the eagle, not that I dont like the one we have now... its very nice, I just wish we got to see that one.. to see if it really would have made a better eagle or not.. But I guess stainless know what there doing.... even if I dont like the new lumberer.

Also. someone will mostlikley remake this stuff anyway.

Just been pointed out to me that its the same car, maybe I missed something there.

so yes. I guess im ok now all seen, hopefully you post no spoilers too.. Im very carefull in the files nowdays to nto dig up and see something thats not ingame yet. heh. I want to see it in its glory yeyah. even tho I have a good idea what some stuff from its file names may be.

deadsheep · Post by **deadsheep** » Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:47 pm

Mad_Maxine wrote:Its a shame about the white concept eagle tho.. Its a shame we never really got to see it

The white eagle concept is the same as the red one you see in the first post. Same lines, same vents, etc...

Mad_Maxine · Post by **Mad_Maxine** » Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:58 pm

Im sorry I jsut. wasent very observent today.

I saw it as soon as it was pointed out tho, I wonder what else may have been cut? dificult to animate animals? and such. maps, theres the test map from early shots,

deadsheep · Post by **deadsheep** » Sat Nov 22, 2014 7:01 pm

No need to be sorry, reading my post now it kinda feels offensive. That was definitely not what I wanted it to be, just informing you (and possibly others) that they appear to be the same, with very little difference (if any), other than the textures of course.

Mad_Maxine · Post by **Mad_Maxine** » Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:55 pm

No its ok, you dident come across as agressive at all, really,

But I feel kinda silly for.. Not spotting that. usually im pretty observent on things,

talking of scrap content tho, from the screenshot pages I allways thought this place looked fun,

you think thats been cut? or do you think theres maybe two types of costal map? like C1, aparently theres two city maps so why not.

AlexTSK · Post by **AlexTSK** » Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:49 pm

If my memory serves me right the bridge thing came up in a stream and nobby said it was cut from the map because it didnt quite fit/wasnt practical from a level design point of view, but I could be hallucinating :)

Edit :

While Im here might as well bring up a couple of things? The following looks like its been cut/changed heavily:

Building has been cut from the MagNuChem map

Early Bear looked quite different

This eagle probably never made it to the modeling stage, but nevertheless I consider it cut since the concept art looks quite fleshed out, a last minute decision maybe?

Mad_Maxine · Post by **Mad_Maxine** » Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:00 pm

I still want to see the rest of that picture, It must exist somewhere... right?

FatCat · Post by **FatCat** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 3:19 am

Mad_Maxine wrote: talking of scrap content tho, from the screenshot pages I allways thought this place looked fun,

you think thats been cut? or do you think theres maybe two types of costal map? like C1, aparently theres two city maps so why not.

Oh hey, you're right, that map hasnt been seen ever since, but it's gotta be in the final, we might have just not seen the map it's in yet!

But if bloodstability is right about the bridge being cut, Shit, what other badass thing was cut from the game that we might never have known about? I'm certain that modders would put them back in =D

FatCat · Post by **FatCat** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 3:21 am

Bloodstability wrote:

Hehehe, also, Early bear looked badass. It feels like the early art was much more retro futuristic. Did Stainless make an artistic overhaul somewhere during development?

Mad_Maxine · Post by **Mad_Maxine** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 4:09 am

well.. im going to say I think stainless is doing the right thing..

its normal for people to like anything thats diffrent, and people will automatically want what they cant have.. and that is cut content. but if stainless decides somethign wont work then I guess we have to trust them, afterall the other carmageddon games came out right? yes? maybe c2 was a little bright.. and all but mostly.

C1 style was perfect, for that kind of game atleast.

In stainless we trust,

also I guess they wanted to loose that very 90s look, and the eagle concept there really reminds me.. 90s, also I think the eagle in your first screenshot seems to be an evolution of that, as the vents and such are in the same place. and apart from the grill lights and mroe exadurated intake it looks the same base to me.. unless they get rid of the football stadium.. then Ill have to badly glue that back in place..

Spoiler:

FatCat · Post by **FatCat** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 4:12 am

Mad_Maxine wrote:game maker

For the love of all that is good, dont use that program to make games.

Mad_Maxine · Post by **Mad_Maxine** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 4:20 am

ok sorry :/

I did it once before tho, and thats all I know so yeah.. maybe not.

KakkaHousu · Post by **KakkaHousu** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 6:27 am

FatCat wrote:
But if bloodstability is right about the bridge being cut, Shit, what other badass thing was cut from the game that we might never have known about? I'm certain that modders would put them back in =D

Sadly Bloodsy is right. I remember that too. I hope Stainless will give us some pics of the development after game is released. I don't care if it's reference images, or concept art or actual gameplay screenshots. Would be fun to see what C:R looked in very early/concept stages.

I noted Towmeister's rims are different.

Spoiler:

The Unbreakable Kavinsky · Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:27 am

Well has anyone ever read or seen the book Half Life 2 Raising The Bar? as the amount of ideas and stuff they tried in the concept stages was pretty impressive in of itself.

Especially the sky scrapers and indoor building scenes that got cut. and the museum stage was something else..... and I played through it years ago from the leak so its possible that the reason why all of this was changed was because of continuity, fun and simplicity issues, to help streamline it abit more

as if you overcomplicated something like this, everything in it suffers and for a restart of a game franchise, that might be the kiss of death.

and also the idea of the game is that this is taking place 10 years latter, things have moved on, so maybe this stuff was made in the remake stages before the decision to make a continuation 10 + years latter was brought about.

as that eagle looks like a straight remake of the first one, and I must wonder is there anything buried for my beloved Countslash somewhere? as the First countslash is based off of one of the early Flared Models of 1977/1978, and the new one is based on the last version of the countach, the 25th that was made the year I was born, 1988/1989 ish.

and I just prefer the flat decked ones with the phone dial wheels to the latter ones.

FatCat · Post by **FatCat** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:08 am

Unbreakable, What if stainless made unlockable artwork in the main game that had pictures of early versions of the game, or conceptart/models of earlier versions of cars in the extras section! This might be why stainless hasn't released a ton of them! =D

Southpark2010 · Post by **Southpark2010** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:48 am

FatCat wrote: Unbreakable, What if stainless made unlockable artwork in the main game that had pictures of early versions of the game, or conceptart/models of earlier versions of cars in the extras section! This might be why stainless hasn't released a ton of them! =D

Kinda reminds me of ROTT 2013, as they had a big montage of game dev stuff alongside the credits at the end of the game.

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