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Hmm... I have this question in my mind for quite a while... I never thought I'd ask it or what ever, but I feel like I have gathered enough courage to ask it...

Why do peeps 'round this place hate tuners (U guys call 'em ricers)?

I mean... What's so bad about somebody modding his modern car that isn't that bad when grand pa chop the roof of his '48 Mercury, paint it flat black and put some flames on?

I don't understand. Each time somebody make a tuner, there's a lot of peeps comin' 'round telling him/her that the "ricer" he/she made suck, but when somebody make a '70 Dodge Charger with a blower bigger than a whale with side pipes and that stuff, he get the best of praises, even if the work in model rendering 'n stuff is equivalent in both of the cars...

And tell me... Why does peeps that like to make tuners and openly say that they like tuners are treated like shit around here?

I really don't understand...
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There are 2 things that comes up inside my head at the moment when reading this.

"If it aint broke, dont fix!", and I belive that to be true most of the time.

And another thing.. "If you don't know why, then I wont tell you!" :wink:

But I bet that overall, it comes down towards individual taste. I'm Very, Very finicky (is that a correct word? when it comes to music. I know what I like, and everything outside that circle is, plain and simple, just.. crap!

Same thing regarding cars. I'm not into the tuned japanese racers, as it reminds me of those Fast & The Furious-movies. I did enjoy the first one a bit, but the second one was only n attempt to a cash-bringer. In my eyes.

So I guess I lean more towards that big ass Whale-blower you mentioned. Ha ha, what ever I might compensate for doing that! :lol:

I like shapes. When some cars have the "right" shapes, I will fall for it. Take a Volvo Amazon for example. Geez, it's a beauty! But at the same time, ther can be similar cars that I can't really understand why they would build such an ugly looking thing. It goes deep into details.

I forgot a few points I was going after, but the Best word I got is.. "Taste"
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For one, if someone takes a good condition classic muscle car today and chops it up, that guy should be shot on sight. If you take something beat up, restore it, then make a monster out of the thing, then you're cool. It takes skill, creativity, lots of time and patience to make something serious.

That said, the majority of "ricer" cars are a joke. Any asshole can go out and buy some expensive rims and slap on a few decals. I just summed up 95% of supposed "ricers" right there. They hate getting their hands dirty. With a little extra cash some jackass invests in a bigger engine and a top of the line suspension. He'll be damned to ever pick up a wrench and figure how to do it himself. You can forget it with those jap cars.

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That I can understand... I have tastes too! I mean... I feel like it's an outrage when somebody mod an oldie! I really like those stock! But I hate stock modern cars, except for a few models. That why I like tuners... But not all of them! I laughed my ass off when I saw neons under a car for the first time! When I go in car shows and see some modded oldies, you will hear me "I personally don't like what this person did to their car..."

I mean, I'm ok if you like whale blowers on a '70 Chevelle SS. I respect this. But I don't understand when some peeps come saying that it's crap rather than just sayin' I, personally don't like it... Maybe because saying crap is faster and peeps are lazy? :grin:
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Most people here will probably say what it boils down to is ricers typically just wanna make their car look fast, while the others actually make their car faster. I dont really understand either. Sure going fast is fun, but the engine is doing all the work, not you! When people do the quarter mile racing thing, one car winds up being faster than the other car, and the winner thinks they're a big shot for some reason.. aha look at you, you own a faster car then some other guy, whoopteedo? But then again im not a car man, so I wouldnt understand that, im sure it means the world to a mechanic, so Im not gonna bad mouth that.

I think its also an age thing too. Most people who are impressed with the ricers would be the younger crowd, cause it is a modern thing. its all flashy and bright and confusing.. just like modern music. I still dont understand how anyone can like rap music with all the weird ebonics and even weirder hand gestures.. I tried to watch mtv the other day and i didnt know what to think.. I guess rap music is really popular cause all em rap videos is like porn practically, let hoarmoaning 13 year olds watch that and see what happens.

I dont have anything against custom work usually.. sometimes it seems silly though (especially if its taken too far). I dont do the car thing, im an 'old bicycle' guy.. any "custom" stuff I do is just cause I need to; eg- replacing broken stuff. You know: a part from here, a part from there just to get it back on the road.
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i agree with you...everybody have their own taste...i don´t like ricer or tunning,because i think it´s not MY style of car...simple as that...thats why i mostly of the times in the mods i did last year added a blower in the hood instead of a "tunning material"(that i have no clue how to design a tuned car or something like that)

i dont HATE no style...i just DONT LIKE...i think those 2 words can describe the feeling... :wink:
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"..just wanna make their car look fast, while the others actually make their car faster."

I like that. Didn't think of that, but it sounds really true, and I have to agree to that. And more.

Could explain quite a bit why some get so much shit for doing those customs..
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I dont have anything against a old merc with flames paint job or a charger with a blower..

It sucks when some guy grab a classic charger, paint it orange remove the bumpers.. add some light green decals and vinyls, spoilers and all that plastic stuff..

remove the interior and add purple racing seats.. bus floors(the aluminium thing), neons and a lot of instruments that dont even work..

it gets even worst when the guy grab a new compact with a 1.0 engine and add all that tunning stuff spoiler and wings.. gezz! that car will never made to get 90mph!

that will never work...

its just incresing the weight

heres a list of the worst things:

*Terrible lookn wings

*Terrible lookn spoilers

*terrible colors

*hood pins in 1.6 cars

*neons

*fiber things (hoods and etc)

*a sound that costs more than the car itself

*strange random stuff

my problem is that i hate plastic!

that sucks man!!

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"..just wanna make their car look fast, while the others actually make their car faster."

Yeah... But isn't it the same when a guy mod his '69 Charger and put 600++ Hp into it?

I remember once I was at a local car show, when this guy came in with his '79 'maro custom. It had so much power in that every seconds he had to stop pressing the gas pedal, else his car would have gone out of control...

Yeah... Some guys put in way too much power in their cars... But it happen to even the guys who mod old cars...
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With any modification it's always a customisation. That's why I come down to Taste yet again. In most minds around here, it's blasphemy to make anything else than a restoration of an oldie. I can understand why. And the mass-produced cars from today is nothing anyone seem to care about. So back to the customs then..

Like Mad_Max_RW said " Any asshole can go out and buy some expensive rims and slap on a few decals. I just summed up 95% of supposed "ricers" right there."

That's the thing. It's too easy, and not an effort, and it will be shown with no respect. Besides the ones that don't know. They will think it's the most awesoem thing in the world. Same thing with over 600+ HP in a '69 Charger. That's messing with your own fate (and I'm not talking about the car in a ditch with you through a broken windshield!). For me, it's not necessary with that high amount of HP in a car. Not a -Road- car. And it doesn't fall into my circle of taste.
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Ehh, anyone can drive a civic.... Lets see you man handle a 4000 pound muscle boat through a slolom cource, that takes some skill.

I guess in all respects "ricers" are okay. Aslong as something isn't gaudy. I don't like bright flashy colors on any car. I like to be stealthy. Looking fast is bad.... Being fast is good. Nobody here would say that a rusted and beat up corrola that looks like a junk yard refugee but could do a quarter mile in 12 seconds wasn't cool.
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personally i have nothing againts Tuners, weither they be fast or not, eventually they will be

tuned to be faster than their original speeds



Nobody here would say that a rusted and beat up corrola that looks like a junk yard refugee but could do a quarter mile in 12 seconds wasn't cool.


with the exception of me. not that im trying to start a flame war or anything, i just dont think that

would look cool :crazy: my opinion :smile:
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For me, the reason why don't like "tuners" is because today, like stated above, it's all about image. And today's cars suck, they're not meant to last, at least the average car, not talking about exotics and such. Though one thing that should be respected is when someone takes a machine and makes it perform better than when it was stock, by himself. This is hardly the case with japanese and most modern cars, since you can't take a wrench and work on the engine by yourself, with all that computer shit in there. So it comes down to "who's the guy that can spend the most money on his car" thing, not who worked his ass off on it, like it is with older cars. Not to mention that most "tuners" today are spoiled "mommy's boys", they don't know shit about earning his own money, otherwise they would think twice about wasting it on so many crap they put on cars these days (audio and plastic shit all over).

That's just my point of view, anyway :wink:

And of course, is a matter of taste, too... some ppl just don't have any :grin:
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Then you've got the douchebag rich-kids that race thier parents Mercedes.

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I dont really mind ricers at all as long as they dont try to "show off" in a public place Risking innocent lives! I just wish when they are racing on the public streets if they could At least take caution around bystanders and the other civilians driving.
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What really pisses me off though, is that police, and whoever, will blame this on a game.
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They tried, the Toronto Sun's headline was "Did NEED FOR SPEED Kill?"

Whereas the Toronto Star, had a little thing in it showing a study of how gaming actually helps you in the business world and isn't going to be given much flak as far as influence goes. They were over 18, knew what they were doing was wrong, and thats why they should get manslaughter, instead they'll end up with negligence causing death... what pissses me off is the family is all upscale and being all shocked that the kids are getting charged, assholes.

Shame too, the guy probably would have lived if that utility pole wasn't on the other side.

Not to mention they were next to a Mount Pleasant, its a Cemetery.
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You pretty much got yer answers here.

It's an age thing. Yeah. It's a principles thing, too. The older folks (who've more than likely busted a few knuckles on a vintage V8) have different tastes than the younger crowd. Us older guys that used to be known as "rodders" understood that the machine should be the one to speak. NOT the driver. We didn't need to invent a whole new chimpanzee language and culture just to justify putting all those stickers on a car. The car always spoke for us. It spoke of long winters of hard work, busted knuckles, and empty wallets. When the sun came out in the spring-a veritable mechanical monster rolled out of our garages. Sitting there in the sun was a primered example of raw power. Everything mechanical was brand new and absolutely perfect in every way, ready to launch down a road and simply smoke everything next to it. (Unless yer buddy down the street built a bigger one...) The machine did all the talking. Anything you said didn't matter unless it was how your wife said "Either that car goes or I do!" (I'm gonna miss her.....heh.).

The machine had the attitude. Not the driver. It was about the machine only. It was a reflection of it's owner's mechanical skill and desire to go faster than everybody else. Paint and glitz was secondary.

If the car had stickers on it-they were usually in the rear quarter windows.

If there was a NOS sticker-you by god better believe there was a bottle in there correctly hooked up for a reason other than to be seen.

If there was a Weiand sticker on there-ya knew there was a roots-type blower lovingly installed for a good reason.

There was usually E.T.'s posted there, too. Real ones.

You get the idea

The "Tuners", "Ricers", "Boyracers", "YoMos" or whatever ya wanna call 'em are all attention whores in my book. Sure, I can respect someone who does it the old fashioned way and turns a Honda Civic into a 700HP hand grenade, but I figure "What's the point?"

With all the money spent basically turning a powered wheelchair into a race car-they coulda just gotten a stone stock Nova or some other carthat already had a fairly powerful engine in it and built a real race car.

Granted, I know ya gotta work with what ya got at hand, but I've been to a lot of car shows where there's oldies and real hotrods-with their owners standing around them talking about football or swapping parts sources and generally enjoying some cameraderie and learning from each other on a sunday afternoon-----and then there, off to one side is the ricers...all neons and strobe lights and back seats fulla subwoofers and gaudy paint schemes and stupid stickers all yo'ing it up like the monkey house at the Bronx Zoo.

So I take a walk over to the nearest Honda or Toyota or whatthehellever and ask the guy to pop the hood. This car has ground effects and a huge wing on the back and the obligatory fart-cannon...

I look under where it really counts and see a "cold-air intake" (*snicker*) and some assorted "look-good stuff" on a basically stock 1.6L engine. All show-no go.

I asked the guy, "How does that CAI work for ya?"

He says, "I've been having trouble, yo. I'm not gettin' da powa like I'm s'posed to, so I'm trying new intake kits every week trying to fix it. But check out my pillar gauge pods and neon shift knob, yo."

I didn't have the heart to tell him that the reason his car won't run right is that I noticed his intake-air temp sensor was just taped to the outside of his shiny new cold air intake tube-not really doing anything but telling the mixture control part of his car's ECM what the temperature was under the hood insteada inside the intake where it was supposed to be doing it's job telling that ECM how much fuel to send the injectors and when.

All show, no go. He prolly had somebody else who "knows all about carz'n shizzit, yo" to install that CAI.

Mebbe if he sold some of those gold chains he has hangin 'round his neck he could afford to take his car to a real mechanic.

Poseurs, mostly all of them.

We worked hard on our cars and had the scars and the built up muscles to prove it. Half these pasty lil' bastards'd be hard-pressed to even pick up an air wrench or a sawzall, much less know what the hell to do with it. (forms a mental picture of some skinny lil' YoMo triggering an impact driver and spinning around it like a propeller while the nut he's trying to loosen stays put.....bling flying everywhere...)

That's assuming he'd even wanna attempt it. Might get dirty ya know.

I've read magazines like Max Power and stuff and it's all the same. Only one I saw that was even close to the way it's s'posed to be done was an old Vauxhall Nova that had been stripped down to the bare necessities-even the windows had been replaced with plexiglass to remove weight (They didn't open because the window regulators had been removed for the same reason), but it's still like racing in the special olympics..... It's like racing Hoverounds (power chairs for invalids)-it doesn't matter who wins-it's just pointless. OK, mebbe it means something to the folks who are racing them, but everybody else is either yawning or laughing.

Hot rodder mentality=Learn theory, buy machine, develop mechanical skills, work hard, applying those skills to machine, learn from mistakes, apply new-improved knowledge to machine, go faster than everybody else until somebody goes faster than you, learn from that person and re-apply newfound knowledge to machine.

Ricer mentality= inherit mom's 1993 Civic grocery-getter, watch "The fast and the Furious", dream a lot, save allowance for two years and buy some tight rimz, yo..., listen to buddy who says "cut your springz in half, yo. It makes yo car lower and mo' aerodynamic", cut springs in half and don't bother to re-align steering or suspension and drive around with beaucoup negative camber while hitting your head on the ceiling on cracks in the pavement, put all kinds of plastic crap on your car and a bunch of stickers you don't even know what they mean to give the appearance that it might be fast (hey, it worked in the movie-didn't it?), By all means-get a NOS sticker and tell people it has "Nawws" so they won't want to even want to try racing you. That way you won't actually have to prove that it's not a fast car to begin with.

In other words.....fake it. Most people who are into rice don't have a clue what goes into making a car perform better. They just want to make it look that way. I have no respect for those people. They're damned liars. Their machines also speak for them-they speak 100% pure-D bullshit.

What's the bloody point other than to say "Lookit meeeee!"

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is that police, and whoever, will blame this on a game.


I dont think they tried to do so..

They found a copy of the game in the car.. That is true.. it was there..

But i understood that they charged the retards who dont know a difference between a game and the real life..

And are so stupid to try out all things from the game in real life

its not the games industry fault if a guy is so retard..

thats the truth!

But offcourse that a officer cant say that..

so he used another words..

"A game is a game," Toronto Police's Det. Paul Lobsinger told CTV Toronto. "And when you get behind the wheel of a car it's not a game anymore. And when something tragic happens in a huge crash with a lot of smoke, there is no reset button. You can't start over with a new car and a new life."

thats what i understood :grin:
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I'll give you my honest opinion about tuners. I hate them. And I have a couple of reasons for it.

1) They behave exactly like Deepl_Blue's image tells me.

2) That dude on the picture has actually right; They get all the chicks. I lost several girls to some tunequeers because they have a 'phat car'.

3) They are killing most of those cars. Not always, because I dislike most Japanese cars. But when I see a Peugeot 206 or a Volkswagen Golf (HOLIK!!) 16 cm lowered, wearing spoilers, sideskirts, R-stickers, tinted glass, chromed 22 inch rims etc. I just want to throw a molotov cocktail at one of those cars.

4) They can't drive for shit. They talk about 'street race here, street race there' but none of those has actually the skills to enter a real circuit racing competition, nor a rally event.

5) They put more interested into their cars than into life. When you ask one of those tunefuckers 'How's going?' he'd probably say he is not feeling so good becuase he cannot get his neon to work.

Tuning is in my opinion an abserd way of life. And it is disturbing. Hell, I ask myself many times: Why do terrorists blow up trains, metro's and buses, while they should blow up a street race meeting!
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Sez nwo:

"2) That dude on the picture has actually right; They get all the chicks. I lost several girls to some tunequeers because they have a 'phat car'."

Ya wanna know the funny part?

Once it comes time to grow up-most women don't care what the hell you drive. Really.

The important things start to matter. Like, is this guy really serious about life or is all he cares about that stupid damn circus-wagon. Or stuff like, yeah, it's pretty, but is it paid for?

Ya know-the stuff that really counts in life.

Driving skills? Pfft. No 16-25 year old has shit for driving skills, usually. All bravado and no brains. Oh sure, they think they do, but insurance statistics and police reports say otherwise.

Driving skills are acquired over time, and the most skilled drivers know ya just don't take risks that are unnecessary. Driving fast isn't a skill and doesn't require any. Any retard can do it. Precision driving requires a lot of skills and common sense. You don't acquire these skills in places where people can get killed, such as on the interstate highway at rush hour or on the main street or in a parking lot full of people. Learning precision driving is not a spectator sport unless you're on a track designed for it with all the safety precautions taken or in a remote area where there's nobody around to get hurt so you can actually find out what a car won't do in the process of learning what it will do.

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To an extent, you're very right DB. Unfortunately, the tuner scene is completely overtaken by kids that have just seen FnF and think that a few kilos of fiberglass and a few dozen stickers will make their cars go really fast. I laugh at those kids, and point em in the direction of a book.

However, to say that all tuners are like that is a bit wrong. You see, technology has advanced. Sure, your generation is used to wrestling that big ole V8 with your bare hands, and I have the utmost respect for that. You know mechanics the way it should be known - from first hand experience. But don't diss current technology. I mean, the simplest way to get my point across is - what you can do with a wrench and your bare hands, I can do with a keyboard and a few fingers. It's just the way it is.

And don't diss small-capacity engines. The Mini Cooper S Works puts out ~210 horsepower out of it's miniscule 1.6 litre supercharged engine. And will go from 0 to 60 mph in 6.6 seconds. Which is not bad at all. Not to mention that it'll do circles around any muscle car.

Sure, most of the kids from the tuner scene are an embarassment to themselves and bring on a bad name to the scene too. But I'm absolutely sure that there were people like this back in the 60s and 70s, doing exactly the same (well, in a way appropriate for that era) that kids are doing today in the tuner scene.

I have huge respect for muscle cars - they're not called muscle cars for nothing. The huge engines and the lazy V8 rumble are heaven to the ears of any self-respecting gearhead - but in reality, they're not all they're cooked up to be. You'll have to spend quite a substantial amount of money to get the thing to work right, not to mention that the technology and engines are borderline ancient (by todays standards), they're extremely thirsty and more often they not, they lack quite a bit of safety items.

My point is - both sides should have respect for the other. Most rodders envision tuners as a bunch of YoMo kids with too much money on their hands, while most tuners see rodders as a bunch of angry old folks that are stuck in the 1960s. And both groups are right, up to a point.

Personally, I'd love me a Nissan 350Z, specifically in the S-Tune package. It's one sexy car. Oh, and it's got the power too, from a 3.5 liter V6, pushing out 300 horse.

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The thing is.. I agree. The tuner scene is often hilarious, with 20" chrome rims that probably cost more then the Honda Civic they're put on - but I've said this before, and I'll say it again - Honda makes some kickass engines. Imo, I think the 2.0 liter VTEC engine from the Civic Type-R is the small block of the '90s and '00s - that thing can be supercharged or turbocharged and nitrous fed, and it will still hold together - that's because Honda builds engines first, and cars second.

You admitted that the Japs have been building better cars lately. Hell, they haven't been doing it lately - they've been doing it for the past 20 years at least, and that's why they're stomping US car manufacturers into the ground.
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DB, what about rodders who slam and chop a car, but only run with a straight 6 or somthing.... Looks fast, but isn't.... That's almost american rice. Im down with those kindsa rides, but it pretty much sums up quite a few rods
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Japs have been building better cars lately


Fast is not always better.. :grin:
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It IS largely the fault of movies and videogames, though. Teenagers are stupid impressionable bastards who follow whatever the trend is. If all the Need for Speeds and Midnight Clubs were loaded with stanley steamers you'd be seeing kids shoveling coal into antiquated external combustion engines. Well, not quite, but you get my point.

Some people might forget the bad wannabe drivers of these suped up cars are not reserved to today's ricers. It's been that way since cars became affordable more than half a century ago. Movies made certain styles popular back then. Now it's mostly videogames.

The one major difference is nobody works today. Everyone is lazy as fuck and would rather pay a professional to do it for them.
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I've read all of your comments and arguments. And yeah, at some point you're right... There's too much of those yo-guys around... But they're all like this. I had the chance to talk with some tuners guys that weren't yoguy type, in my class at mech school last year. One of those guys knew everything about Honda... He had put a lot of money on his car, yes, but he did mostly all the modifications by himself (parts are no free, u know :wink:). He didn't race in public areas, and was in some non professional racing on race tracks around the province in the weekends. I asked him why he had put a lot of money on his car like this and hadn't gotten something stronger instead with all that money, like an old Mustang or something. His answer was something like this: I want a car that can go fast, but I also want a car that can corner too.

He was one of the guys that made me think that not all tuners were that bad. I also found out that it wasn't everybody that like old cars... For some peeps, old cars are like history... It's passed and it doesn't interest them.
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"Ya wanna know the funny part?

Once it comes time to grow up-most women don't care what the hell you drive. Really.

The important things start to matter. Like, is this guy really serious about life or is all he cares about that stupid damn circus-wagon. Or stuff like, yeah, it's pretty, but is it paid for?"

I'd like to think that you are right.

"Driving skills? Pfft. No 16-25 year old has shit for driving skills, usually"

Mleh. Driving licenses can be acquired only by people over 18 here. That might be the reason why nobody here can drive; Everybody here has 2 years less experience in driving than people in the US. :smile:

As a reply to Soupavedg: I thought you meant those guys who has only attention for the look of their car. I can imagine carfreaks tune and engineer their cars, as long as it stays under the hood. Improving your cars performance is always good in my opinion. But those guys with... Y'know, spoilers, sideskirts, R-stickers, tinted glass, chromed 22 inch rims on their cars... It's unacceptable. :smile:
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Nothin' wrong with payin' a pro to do the work for ya. Lots folks realize that what they want is way beyond their means to build. So they have the smarts to take it to somebody with the know how and the capability to do the work. (a real mechanic).

I have no problem with that atall.

Beast: I have no problem with small engines whatsoever. But theyre not even in the same class as the big ones. Like I said, it's like racing hoverounds versus racing rockets.

Japanese workmanship and design is excellent for what they're building. Very dependable, eco-friendly cars that most folks can afford to buy. You wanna make it a race car-first thing ya do is throw affordability out the window. Like that dude in the movie said-speed is just a question of money. How fast ya wanna go? Next, chuck eco-friendly out the same window. Ya can't have it all. It's a trade-off.

Everybody else:

Engines, no matter what size, are just big air pumps. To make it pump more air, ya gotta get yer hands dirty. Sure, what with the computer engine controls nowadays, ya can make a small displacement engine perform better than it already does within limits. Once ya decide to exceed those limits-ya gotta start bustin' knuckles to make holes bigger/smoother/shaped different, etc. to make that air pump bigger. I know how the tuning proggies work on ECMs. I've done it with American iron from the eighties. Make your Monte Carlo think it's a Corvette, etc. That just makes the job of fine-tuning easier and more precise.

The problem I have is with the morons who put more emphasis on the way the car looks than with how it performs. Not that I have anything against a nice custom car whatever make/model it is. I appreciate art just as much as the next guy, and that's what custom cars are-art.

But the shit that totally pisses me off is when "Yo G" comes walking over to my iron at a show and says "My phat ride'll kick the shit outta this ol' shitbox, yo."

I make an appointment with him to put his machine where his mouth is.

Nine times outta ten the lil' bastard Mad Max_RW referred to'll start immediately making excuses as to why he can't race right away. Uh-huh. Thought so.

The one that actually accepts my challenge usually is late to the strip (Lime Rock) because he has to pick up as much of his "posse" as he can carry so they can hurl insults at me when I stomp his dick into the dirt.

So anyways...Homey shows up with his hooptie and stages next to me in the "run what you brung" class.

If the bastard's had enough stones to get this far. he's been better than most. But I still love the surprised look on his face when I fire the ol' Ford up with the cutouts open. It's the classic "Oh fuck...what'd I get myself into?" face. Cracks me up every time.

So the tree falls and we're off.

Homey (if he doesn't stall it off the line) is feathering his clutch with his throttle wide open. At this point he's starting to move some or he's just spinning his front wheels-which might impress 13 year old girls but doesn't impress me. Meanwhile, I'm already about a third of the way down the track while homey is trying to find his way out of the smoke from my Mickeys.

Then I get the typical boyracer excuses... Yo, it's a show car. Yo, but you gots twice as many cylindas. Yo, but it's a handling car. Yo, I didn't have time to tune. Yo, I bet my posse could beat up yo posse...ad nauseum....

Yes, engine technology has greatly improved in recent years. Power to weight ratios are much closer now for what they're building.

There is NO replacement for DISplacement. Period.

You don't build a race car to save fuel, you wanna race, you don't care what the MPG is.

You don't build a race car to out maneuver everything else. There are no turns on a 1/4 mile strip.

You don't build a race car to be friendly to the environment. Fuck the environment-it's in the way of your going faster.

You don't put a ton of plastic and stickers and a big fuck all stereo system that weighs more than the vehicle and stupid lights on your car and call it a god-damned-race-car. That's just fuckin' ridiculous.

You got a custom car at that point. Not a race car. I don't care how much keyboarding you do on a 1.6L engine, it's still a goddamned fucking 1600cc engine. You can keyboard chat with that engine all you wanna-it's still gonna be a 97.6 cubic inch engine when you say goodbye.

My 455 cubic inches are gonna stomp it to death and leave it in the dust. And that's hauling an extra ton to boot!

There is NO REplacement for DISplacement. Only thing better'n cubic inches is more cubic inches.

The only problem I got with ricers is that they think noise equals power. They're all mouth and no action. They're liars. Plain and simple.. The only reason they get attention is by surrounding themselves with people who are dumber than they are and don't know the difference.
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Yeah, ur right 'bout the affordability/race car thing, I absolutly agree with that.

Recently we found out that the Accent I bought 2-3 years ago (then sold to my dad) had been a little bit modded (we think that the chip have been changed). Yeah, it drink a little bit more than a normal Accent, but it make it more fun to drive!

NWO: I do like outside modding of Asians... But sometimes some peeps take it too far... Same goes with modding an old car too... What I like is when somebody's mod of the outside of the car have made the car look better... But when u put mags over 17", neons under and those too-big-for-nothing exaust, well u usually lose me... The most shity thing I ever saw was those continuously turning mags... U stop at a light and they keep up turnin' and turnin' and turnin'... Yuck... Well, that's my taste... But I can understand somebody puting this on their car to make it look more like themselves... I mean... Customizing a car is to make it look like we want it... And yeah, there are assholes out there that think that their car is the complete shit... But I guess it always was like this with people moding theirs cars. Then as they mature, they find out that they only do this to make their car look like they want and that it's not a popularity contest...

It's sad that the attitudes of certains tuners persons make the whole crowd look like assholes... Yeah... Some of them have this weird speaking... And they listen to rap with theirs too big for nothing stereos... But in a way... When u go to expos with old cars, you can hear the music that go with the car. Somebody owning a car of the '50 will usually make old Rock&Roll music play, the guy owning a car from the '60 will usually have the Beetles play, a guy with a '70 sumething will have Disco playin' and so on...

As for myself, if I had a stereo as big in my car, I would be playin' some Big Band in it...
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My 2 cents.......

I personally hate ricers. In Ireland (and the UK aswell), most of the people who go out and put ridiculous looking alloys, bodykits, so on so forth tend be be scangers/scumbags. These idiots (usually in the age braket of 17 to 21 or so) want to make there Micras, Saxos, Starlets, etc. look like they can go fast, but yet even many diesel cars would out run them. They think they are the best drivers on the road, and yet they are they cause the most serious crashes on Irish roads. They primarily are the reason why my car insurance on my car is €1,800 (car is worth €200, those bastards :supermad:).

I myself have a 16 year old Micra, and it hasn't changed any way since it came out of the factory, and I'm going to keep it that way.

BTW, I must also mention that ALL modded Jap (and Euro) cars look like shit with absolutly no taste whatsoever. Then again, it all just boils down to personal opinion.

Also, on another note, those "low rider" people should be shot.
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@ The_Bollocks: "Also, on another note, those "low rider" people should be shot."

Nah, Lowriders are cool man. :wink:

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@ Deep_Blue: "You don't put a ton of plastic and stickers and a big fuck all stereo system that weighs more than the vehicle and stupid lights on your car and call it a god-damned-race-car. That's just fuckin' ridiculous."

After all, it is reality and you are 100% right.

"The only problem I got with ricers is that they think noise equals power. They're all mouth and no action. They're liars. Plain and simple.. The only reason they get attention is by surrounding themselves with people who are dumber than they are and don't know the difference."

I hate those meetings man. They all come together with their crap cars, all the beautiful women go to those meetings as well, only to check out a bunch of losers and their screwed up cars.

@ SoupaVedg: "It's sad that the attitudes of certains tuners persons make the whole crowd look like assholes"

True. They make an absolute wrong image of theirselves. That makes it the double count.

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The tunners thing is just a look, its a fashion..

most of ppl like it because the other ppl does..

thats what the tv teens likes, its what the video game says

and its what the industry sells..

personally.. i hate it because i got my own style

those guys do that because theyr friends does.. because the girls like it

i dont need to destroy a car just to be liked

plz if some day i put neons, spoillers and wings in a Cadillac

plz shot me!

I also found out that it wasn't everybody that like old cars... For some peeps, old cars are like history... It's passed and it doesn't interest them.


Just idiots think like that

those "low rider" people should be shot.


oh yeah

i hate those!

theyr jumps up and down use to f**k up the cars

Give another shot for me!
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I don't have patience for rice.

Ricardo had a BMW 318 4cyl, but on the other hand:

1. It went offroading

2. It got air up at the hills in Woodbridge

3. It went sideways down the highway in winter (then again, Ricardo knows how to drive)

4. It was stock. It didnt even have a CD player, it was the model before they went plastic.

It's how you drive it... but then Ricardo's mother had a Windstar Sport when they were new...

we spent the 1st few days smoking ricers with it... uphill vs a Swift... and the kid is hoppin it forward to gain inches at the start, seriously now. On flat that van burns for 2 meters, uphill about 6, but a swift only get a car lenth ahead while its smoking untill it gets passed.

I don't like driving small engine FWD's. because:

1. "Its like driving a go-kart" Thats super, sounds fun... but, I want to drive a fucking car.

2. Type-R, SE-R, SIR... and so on. A 302 even slightly tuned will outdo any of those shit badges when thier on an accord/civic/sentra

3. Metal, I want to knick something and not need a new front end.

4. When Im goin up a hill with anything in the car it sounds like the engine is ready to die.

5. Stoming on the gas in a Sebring got me no squak and I was looking for burn. Stomping on the gas with the handbrake down, got me not even wheels turning, the engine making a "luuuhlg" ish sound.

6. You can buy Type-R badges in the mall, next to cell phone covers.

7. Who even needs reasons just look at a metal car, and look at a fucking import.

8. Just clipped a Hyundia Sonata in a parkinglot in a '61 Laurentian...doing about 5kph... bowling ball sized dent in the back...Pontiacs bumper, we couldent see where it hit because there wasn't a mark.

Fuck reasoning... it just seems so... I don't know, repressed... its like this is what cars have been forced to become. ugh. Disgusting.... and as far as engine mods, yeah CAI is hugely popular among ricers, Im sure the box came with stickers... but I want to open my hood take my ratchet, take off my heads, put on new ones, and bolt it back up, all you have to do is mark the cams. guh... I don't want to take it to a dealer that'd going to plug it in like an MP3 player and change settings...its so impersonal, and well not pussy, but it seems that way.

You take a say '66 Fairlane. regular matience and rust proofing (Canada here) It'll go for fucking ever. See alot of Shadows, old Saturns, old civics around? you know the ones that were part wagon? Yeah. maybe once a month. I see a 1974 Duster once a month...and it's 32 years old.
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im not guna read more... ill read it all later, when im not about to fall asleep

im moovin on 18 and i dont 'specialy like the tuners. i do like a 40's coupe with an I6 and faded red paint.

ive just been in a carshow for the whole day. i must say they are gettin better now. all the makes are making nicer lines and more detale then they were in the later 90s. im not sure about reliabilety, but they look better. even considering this, i would take any pre-1990 car over any newer one. considering they were in the same condition... (if not, take the newer one, sell it and buy another older one)

in stile, and reliabilety, the older cars are up on the newer ones.

Old: (1953)

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well?! i like the first one better.

the new cars are all one layer (for lack of a better term). the the grill is part of the body and the bumper is just there and theres nothing special about it

then theres the old cars, with special curvs and special everything. if someone made an old car today it would cost more then twice as much as todays cars.
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How do I fit into this one...?

I guess that you could say that I'm on the fence. See, I truly do love the act of customizing vehicles, Old or new! Rods or Ricers. Hell, what's it really matter? There are aspect's of custoization on both fronts that I don't care for. But, I get over it & move on. Rodder or Ricer they both love to race. No matter how good or bad they may be at it. So, I guess my advice would be to just get over your hang-up's.

I've always been more of an Apoc supporter myself. I never truly believed that real-life vehicles belonged in the Carma series. But, I never tried to start a war over it. I even did some thing's along those lines, myself. Simply because others do like real-life vehicles in their C2. I guess I forgot the point I was trying to make here & just started rambling... Sorry! I'm finished now. :oops:
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