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but the point is, dude, that she felt it to be honorable to die for the purpose. i think she knew full well of the consequences of lying down in front of a bulldozer. to switch the tables, that sounds like a soldier who drops his rifle and high tails it away from the battle because common sense would dictate that he/she should split due to the high risk of losing their life. honor is duty bound, and duty is more than just duty to the chain of command.

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There was some thing on tv the other day where they interviewed all these protestors. Apparently they support getting rid of Saddam but when asked how to do it without going to war they went into a stupid induced coma.

That's what people should be afraid of. Not small pox or a dirty bomb. Spreading stupid is the most terrifying act of terrorism.
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Yeah, Kruszchev, I meant up there in my other post that ya always make me laugh. Ya got a 'sideways' way of looking at stuff that is sometimes humorous, and when you combine that with somewhat broken english it can be funny as hell


hehe sounds good :grin:
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You know, reason why I am against this war is not because it's war, but because WHO is attacking and WHY. Ridding Iraq from Saddam definitely ain't the reason, otherwise US wouldn't even be attacking there, it's not like they have ever cared about problems of the old world anyway. it's all about the fucking oil, man...either that, or then because Bush wants to rid the world from all the oppontents of US so they can play world polic without too much interference.

WWII was the last one where US was involved for honourable reasons.

Kim Il-Yong is crazy, but not stupid (he did claim that he had 7 hole-in-ones on one golf course). Bush, in the other hand, is stupid, but not crazy...though you can't really be sure about it. But if he really does go crazy, we're all doomed.

Personally I believe there is no connection between Hussein and Al-Qaeda - if there was, you really think they would have recorded a video evidence for all to see? This is all conspiracy, I am telling you...hey...what the...bright lights...eek!
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its a know fact that he supports terrorists, and why wasnt desert storm honorable? The us isnt going for the oil, it will be up to nato what happens after the war. And why do you think hes so stupid, our ecomomy is doing much better than it was (real reasion for war), people wanted him to do something and he has....
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lets just say! my thoughts are with everyone involved in the war! :shock:
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Bush can be a angry, histerical, thirsty of war... but a person who reaches the charge of president of a country like the US CANT BE STUPID. This man has allways been like this, if he wins the elections is a fault of the voters, or those that don´t vote. When no candidate is good, you have to vote "in blank". After all you are choosing a man with the power of over 10.000 nuclear warheads.
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US has about 10000 nuke warheads... Russia has above 8000... China... more than 1 atlest... fance has nukes... lets just hope that those countrys wont use them... only to scare (works very good... sience no one has attacked those countrys... when they got the nukes...)
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...say Americans.

I know one guy, a US citizen, who stopped watching CNN and others because the american news networks are so damn biased. How about if you all would find independent and neutral news somewhere from the web where you could find the information on how the things REALLY are?
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hmm... i know that, while the news here in sweden are just plain American, usualy they dont talk about the war that mutch mostly where the battles are raging, and sometimes how many has lost their lifes... But if i turn to another channel that is own by the US, they always talk about how good the war is going... but its pretty mutch the same content as in the swedish channels...

Today i rather read stuff about war on the internet... but there is also a larger chase that the info is inncorrect... the only downside... and the site maby is Anti US/irak...
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Of course the american news networks are biased, I mean, this is WAR. And where there is war, there is propaganda.

Truth is that majority of people in US or anywhere else at that matter don't even WANT this war. But it's not like the cheif staff of pentagon or anyone else deciding cares, after all, they're republicans.

But if/when Saddam is taken down and the war is over, I think it's time for someone else to decide WHO should lead Iraq from then on - I mean, CIA has made nothing but bad choices, first there was shaa or whatever he was and now Saddam...if they choose a new one I bet there'll be another war in 20 years!

(personally, I think CIA should call it quits completely, they cause nothing but trouble)
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"The first victim of the war is the truth"

In sattelite TV there is an arab channel, So bad I can´t understand a word. What I know right now is:

Saddam has a contract with oil companies, to extract the oil. These companies are from france, Russia & China. They win last year 81.000 millon dolars. The total value of the oil Irak is:

u$d 8.000.000.000.000

Some zeros, ¿no?

and add the contract to rebuild Bagdad, loans, etc

Apperently The US and the UK want a some of this, but they have to change the goverment of irak first. Spain support the conflict because has a economical agreement with the US of "not touch my companies in the world, espacially in the American Continent, where we abuse this the price of all"

Colombia supports olso because it will be the next target of this anti "axis of evil" thing, of course they will fight in the frontiers with Barasil and Venezuela, this last one I already told the attemps to change the president.

In Africa they have bigger problems, but no one cares because they don´t have oil or something expensive to give.
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There's a discussion about this at www.iraqifreedom.com too, FYI. Read these if you want:

-[ A few points for protestors. ] This guy has a point, and sums up facts. (And I agree with him)

-[ Anti-war, Anti-American, ANARCHIST, TRAITOR!! ]This is just a funny little topic. :smile:

Ok, carry on.
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UN resolutions??? Are you kidding me??? They are violating all the rules of the UN attacking another coutry without approval of the other countries. So Is an invasion over iraqui territory, and that´s illegal. they should suffer the same restriction of Iraq on 91, when attack kuwait.

By the way, the couldn´t demostrate any connection of Saddam with Al Quedda.

About the oil, They buy oil, and it will be cheapper if they extract it themselfs. Don´t don´t forget that Bush paid his campaing with money of some Texas oil companies, and now is time to get even. So this companies will make all the reconstruction, turn off the burns, etc.

They try to kill bin Laden blowing all afganistan, and didn´t work ¿What makes you think its going to work with Saddam?

And the other point, In the world there is much ugly tirans, much worst goverments, and they didnt, do or going to do something, unless there is some benefit.
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Ok so what your saying is that the texas oil companies want the competion from irac, i dont think so. I want to lnow what all you people would do if the us doesnt get any oil after the war, what would you all say to that?
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They can´t lose a war like this. 300000 good soldiers, 3000 half millon dolars missilles, is enough to take over the power of Irak. The only real problem is if the war take much time, the public opinion will turn against them.
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I didnt mean it like that, i ment when we win.
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I read somewhere that presumable same will happen to US as what happened to the antique Rome. The reason why their empire fell apart was that they could no longer afford their massive army.

What disturbs me most though is not that everyone hates the US, because I do too, but that they do nothing in attempt to change that!

Oh well, I guess I can't blame them - after all, there is a joke about americans saying "What rest of the world?" I also read that most americans don't even know where Iraq is...
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when talking stupid things...

I was looking on a forum... dont remember the URL, But the yanks there thought sweden was a communist country... while some swedes thinks that Sweden is getting more like a mini USA :crazy:
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...and here in Finland, they think we have polar bears and penguins running freely on our streets! Like that wouldn't be bad enough already, the penguins life in Antarctis and nowhere near north pole...

Of course I would go on and on and rant about how they think people eat each other in Africa, but A. That's their problem, and B. This thread is supposed to be about war.
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the point is that IMO some (remember i said SOME) peps in US seem to be so extreemly missinformed, And don seem to think that the only good country is the US... that the us is the ultimate Goodness in the world... i just hate that
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yeah, what can you say, some people here are blindly patriotic to the point of ethnocentric jingoism. they can even be blind to our own sordid history. what can we do? just wait for this generation of ignorant folks to gradually die off...they do tend to be older. btw, not all americans are in support of this war, i know exactly where iraq is, and there are polar bears in alaska wandering the streets.

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there are polar bears in alaska wandering the streets.
But that's in Alaska.

There's another thing that occured to me. Why is it that the jews that died in WW2 holocaust are always remembered, but no one ever remembers the indians that were killed during the Spanish invasion of America? 10 million indians died there and no one cares...
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Why do you say noone cares? Everyone knows about it, and thinks it was worng, but that was 100s of years ago, the holocaust happened in mordern times.
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Takeshi666 , thats an easy answer, after the Spanish (and English and Frenchs) won. It´s sad but real. Olso it happend long time ago, and noboby keep the count.
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Heh.

yeah, what can you say, some people here are blindly patriotic to the point of ethnocentric jingoism.
Now...kicker...I'd like ya to go back thru all of your posts and count exactly how many times you've used the word "ethnocentric".. :smile:

Sounds like you mebbe got another kinda war going on here as well.

As far as the older "ethnocentrist jingo-slingers" dying off.. Heh.. I hope yer a patient dude. I also hope you intend to live far past the usual human life expectancy. There's a helluva lotta patriotic younger folks out there as well.

Many of them are just thankful to live in a free country and won't be threatened or opressed buy anybody for by god any reason. Many are children of miltary personnel and grandchildren of ex-military personnel and some are just the offspring of what everybody calls 'rednecks'. Y'know, patriotic red-blooded Americans who have been taught that thousands before them have died defending the peaceniks' right to stand in the street with a stupid sign and shoot their mouths off and call everybody who is in charge an idiot.

Y'notice that that's all they do? None of 'em ever really DID anything about what they perceived was wrong... Oh sure, like back in the '60s-'70s everybody in some big cities said "We don't like the way things are being done in Vietnam so LET'S TRASH AND BURN OUR OWN NEIGHBORHOODS!" YEAH! THAT'S the ticket...(Oh yeah, many of them also opted out of service to their country-They coudn't accept the truth- FREEDOM ISN'T FREE ).

No... that might be too much like work, or even worse-too much like (shudder) WAR.

Whereas the people who founded this country as I'm taught were sick up and fed of the way things were being done and picked up weapons and kicked ass until they got free and could do it their way.

People who wouldn't take "no, you can't" for an answer.

Lots of 'em died trying to be free.

Lots of 'em died so that some of you in other countries didn't end up in a dictatorship. (The Third Reich?!?)

Lots of 'em are dying now so that Iraqis can have a chance to be free and so Saddam can't threaten the U.S or any of Iraq's neighbors with WMD.

And kicker, that girl that got run over by the 'dozer did die for what she thought was an honorable cause-she should have expected that possibility-After all, protesters are a non-lethal form of combatant. Combatants have to accept ALL the possibilities-not just what they'd like to.

So people are mebbe going overboard when they bust on Israel or the U.S. for enabling this girl to be crushed by the 'dozer when they should stop and consider what happens when you stand in front of a moving bulldozer and it doesn't stop.... (duh!). Yes, mebbe it was honorable, but it also was mighty stupid.

It was as much her fault as the bulldozer operator's

He had a duty to stop so he wouldn't take a human life.

She had a duty to stay the fuck outta the way of moving construction equipment :smile:

(Jeez, I guess ya could call that a 'no-fault' accident????) Neither one of 'em did what they were s'posed to do...Shit happens when ya put yerself in a risky situation.

U.N.? Heh..I don't know what it would take to convince them of anything other than the need to debate stuff... France? The last time they wanted irrefutable evidence of something, it rolled thru Paris with a Nazi flag on it.

President Bush had his mind made up after 9/11/01. Shit was gonna change rightly.

He tried to go by the U.N. procedure, but all he got in return was hogwash and waffling. The U.N. wouldn't even hold Iraq to it's previous resolutions when Saddam was clearly in violation of them.

So Dubyah said "Fine-we tried it your way but we're not gonna wait til the buggers are busting down our doors-so we'll do it without your approval, we were born without you and we're doin' all right- but with or without the U.N., this shit is gonna change NOW."

Whether it changes for better or worse remains to be seen, but one thing's for sure-The U.S. is making a statement to the rest of the world that says "You better not EVER think of fucking with America EVER AGAIN."

That's a major part of what I think makes me proud to be an American-The attitude. It's uniquely our own.

I remain convinced that the only way to make sure that terrorists don't screw with America is to bomb 'em all and let Allah sort 'em out.



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"I'd like ya to go back thru all of your posts and count exactly how many times you've used the word "ethnocentric".. "

well, i am an anthropologist, and when i see that word in action i call it. :lol:

keep in mind that you and i are native americans, and the founders of this nation were bent on destroying us and our way of life. the patriotic first americans were white slave owning aristocrats who didn't want to pay their taxes. i'm not making a judgement here, i'm just telling it according to history. look it up, i'm not telling a mistruth.

i dearly love my country and my right to dissent. "i may disagree or oppose what you say, but i will fight to the death to defend your right to say it"---i wish i knew who said that.

the fact that american policy always has to be right and that people who question our presence in iraq are knee jerkingly called un-patriotic is what gets me. these are people who pay their taxes, put their kids in public schools, take off their hats during the national anthem at sporting events, just like any other national citizen. but as soon as they question the motives of our president "you're some pinko commie america hater! why don't you leave this country if you hate it so much?!" why can't people just respect the right to disagree? i'm not throwing names or accusations around...

as far as the whole fucking support our troops bullshit that the right has commandeered (much like the whole pro-life fucking non-argument), lets break it down logically.

supporting our troops means, to many, wishing them long life and doing whatever possible to make sure their loved ones and others' loved ones are in a dangerous situation for as little time as possible. what can one do to make their wishes known? protest against this action and for the return of our troops from this conflict to the states where they are not in immediate danger of being killed. that is supporting the troops.

explain how wanting to prolong this conflict, by insisting that our troops stay in iraq and thereby staying in the line of hostile fire is supporting the lives of our troops?! the slogans should read...liberate iraq, keep our troops under fire. supporting troops? more like calling for the death of them to fight in a country that DOESN"T EVEN POSE A SERIOUS FUCKING THREAT TO US....ahem, got a little carried away there.

see my point?

BTW, i think that the girl knew exactly what the dangers of lying down in front of a bulldozer were. it's a bulldozer, fer crissakes! the point is, being a soldier isn't the only way to die honorably. she WILLINGLY died for her cause, in an act of PEACEFUL NON VIOLENT PROTEST!!!!

let's hope we can end this thread soon and get back to making cars :beer:
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Speaking as an American I can say we are educated but just don't give a rats ass about a bunch of people that like to pontificate instead of actually doing something and doing what's right. So jus continue to talk and say what you will and run and complain to your little U.N. (which jus so happens to be located where?,...and receives how much funding from our country?...jus a friendly little reminder to you kiddies out there) while we continue to do what we do best...which is lead the world. :tongue:



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You know, this is why I miss the good ol' Soviet Union so much - US had a matching opponent and thus the power (and the unnamed fluid) didn't go into their heads.

I also figured out why Americans hate Canadians so much.

Canadians are better people. :grin:
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"people that like to pontificate instead of actually doing something and doing what's right."

...sigh, i guess debate is dead. enjoy your new world order, you fucking fascist!
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"You know, this is why I miss the good ol' Soviet Union so much - US had a matching opponent and thus the power (and the unnamed fluid) didn't go into their heads."



actaly i agree... still US isnt that superior still, not against the Russians... been reading alot about their army... Top morden (Tanks, Hellicopters, Aircrafts... few morden ships, but thats the same whit US)

but now Russia dosnt seem that intrested to be opponents to the US... wich is good, otherwise i doubt that the planet would be "nice" to be on
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And don´t forget China. They are a 3000 years civilization, 2000 millons citizens, and like it or not, cummunists.

Remenber from The simpsons "16 millons smokers can´t be wrong"??. So how wrong two thousands millons nac be?
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the fact that american policy always has to be right and that people who question our presence in iraq are knee jerkingly called un-patriotic is what gets me. these are people who pay their taxes, put their kids in public schools, take off their hats during the national anthem at sporting events, just like any other national citizen. but as soon as they question the motives of our president "you're some pinko commie america hater! why don't you leave this country if you hate it so much?!" why can't people just respect the right to disagree? i'm not throwing names or accusations around...


I agree with that, living in texas alot of people think like that(which i think is stupid). incase you havnt noticed im for war, but i also think theres nothing worng with being against it. what gets most peoplke in trouble is when they personaly attck bush, or someone else. That goes for both sides. If people would stop calling each other stupid and start making sense this hole thing would be alot better.



(and yes i know i need to follow me own advise)
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I´m wrong or there is a few that defend Bush, another few that hate Bush, and a lot of people that don´t care?????? In the 3rd Reich, a lot of people don´t care about what Hitler do, if they had a good life.

Olso I heard there is a theme of System of a Down "Boon" :rockon: That´s is prohibited !!!??? That´s the freedom you have??? Olso suggesting to the Radios to not play that theme is totally facist.
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