(Hello and welcome )

Ah the level is preprocessed so it's not easy to work on it with something like CarEd. The best way to go about this would be to import the level in 3dsMax with Harmalarm's CarmaTools. Or then load what you have in Plaything2 as it's possible (albeit tedious) to select and detach triangles/parts.
Can't sadly help you with CarEd issues.

I can isolate both cars for you, or if you're attached to try and do it yourself, maybe I can try recording a video of the process? (I try my hand at that lately) Would be in Plaything2, or 3dsMax 2012+ if you have it too.

Here are a couple of videos:

Loading and applying the Carma palette in GIMP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpzBKpM4q0g
(Carmagedit might should an error upon importing the BMP but the actual import seems to work

Isolating and setting up a car from the Silent Hill level mesh:
https://youtu.be/omimEUTj57A
I didn't make audio comments on this one and it may be a bit tedious to follow because of that.

Pay attention that I sometimes check stuff but then cancel, or even attempt stuff but close PT2 without saving when I don't have the result I want.

(at the very start, I keep the ESC key down to dismiss the 'missing texture' dialogs)

The Delete function doesn't work IIRC, that's why I use Detach as seen in this video.

Some shortcuts I use:
D : deselect everything
SHIFT + G : rename ACTOR and/or MODEL identifiers
SHIFT + T : transform (used here to force identity matrix and later recenter the main model)
INSERT : add a model or empty actor (you can also see me access this dialog from the top menu)
Some more shortcuts are detailed in playtext.txt.

PT2 rarely lets us move a component under another, we have to add an empty child for it to be moveable for some reason, you'll see me do that often.
Once I imported the external wheel model, I use INSERT to add it again to the scene then I rename then to each wheel identifier. At first I didn't add the .ACT at the end of these as I thought I could use the "setup wheels" tools but it didn't work as intended so I just reloaded the scene, renamed the actors with .act at the end, made sure the model identifier was different (all wheels share the same model (the imported ANWHEEL)) then I added a dummy pivot child to each front wheel then made the child the parent and vice versa.

Pay also attention that when I first detach the car as 'chunk2', I save the file without removing the first 'chunk' and upon reloading, only 'chunk2' appears. This is a limitation of the BRender Actor format which can only have one master parent (under Objects, that is) and thus PT2 will only save the last entry (and its childs) in the list. Never forget to delete useless parts once detached afterward or you might end up saving them by accident.

At the end of the video, I think the saved ACT DAT and MAT should be good for C1, just have to hex-edit the MAT file to append .PIX at the end of the pixelmap filename (the material identifier should end with .MAT if you mimicked what I did)


Honestly this is all quite complicated as a first step in Carma modding IMO. And also it's probable you won't ever have to do these steps again for another carma project as this is quite specific. If you prefer me to send you C1-ready files of both those cars you want and you do the rest of the C1 setup yourself, don't hesitate to ask.

Here we are: http://rr2000.toshiba-3.com/R6/SILENTCARS.zip
These files should be C1-ready, just have to do the paperwork.


I processed the wagon too and quickly reconstructed the jeep while I was at it. Up to you or anyone to port them ingame. The textures are too dark for C1 IMO?



Maybe you're already aware and your issue is something else but just in case: PT2 won't load 8bit textures, it just wants true color TIFF (or 16bit pixies, but it makes them on its own).
In the archive posted above, I included the tiffrgb folder too which only use is for visualisation within PT2.


That is strange. Make sure your mouse is above the viewports when you hit a shortcut key as they don't work when the mouse is above the rest of the UI (quality software!). So yeah, pressing D then INSERT should invite to create a new object at the root of the scene rather than under the last master component.


To delete a component, make sure it's selected (I often hit D then select it again from the tree), that you're in object-level mode (the cube) and select-mode (the cursor). Sometimes the icons seem to be enabled, but they aren't (quality software!). Then press DELETE with the mouse above the viewports.
Detach only applies to faces/vertices, must be in select+face/vertice modes.

I didn't check the scale, sorry about that. However I made sure to send you properly centered (in comparison to wheel coords along the Z axis) scenes (both actors and models), so I guess you must have moved them somehow. Maybe while scaling down?
About the screeching problem, you could have simply raised the bounding box bottom point a bit (min Y).
Still about the actor's position along the Z axis/doughnuts/off physics, keep in mind the most important factor is still the center of mass in the txt file, then traction, then suspensions. (wheel coords should always be correct too)
So if you duplicated an existing stock/addon car txt file, you have to check all the values/coords first (after you got the car ingame though).
I just checked the Bluesmobile and it is correctly centered. Center of mass however is set to -0.1 along the Z axis (so toward the front).

What's up with the shadow in your last screenshot? Maybe it was just flickering as it can happen. Shadows are defined by the bounding box X/Z values.

Before the CarmaTools maxscripts, I used to detach the bonnet off the main model in PT2. Then just have to rename the model and actor and it's good to go ingame. Once ingame I use the Edit Bonnet mode to tweak the actor properly (camera position should be properly set beforehand, top of the txt file).
It's explained there http://rr2000.toshiba-3.com/R6/wally/codes.html#Bonnet
If the bonnet is detached from the main model in PT2, its actor will lose the positioning, mainly the Y translation. So once ingame, the first thing to do is to raise it.

Hey Links,
Any progress on this project?
About the bonnet problem, I finally did a quick video to illustrate how I used to do it. Can you confirm that you run into the same issues even when following these steps?
Basically, I make sure to have the whole model into the viewport to be able to select all faces at once, then deselect the few faces making up the bonnet.
Detach the selected faces, go into object select mode, delete the detached object.
Select and optimize the model (to remove the vertices which aren't detached/deleted for some reason).
Then rename the model identifier, then again rename the actor identifier. It's not critical to give a distinct name/extension to the actor and model, but it's a bit more proper if the actor ends with .ACT and model with .DAT. Main point is to rename the now-bonnet to something different from the complex/main model.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkQf6RZTYuw

Apologies about the blank moment around 1:35 and 2:00, I was on phone.

I know the feeling... Just keep in mind this [modding] must stay an enjoyable hobby. You shouldn't have to force yourself (too much). I too skip stuff sometimes (when I just want the addon out of the way): the damage indicator, the cockpit, the driver portraits, sometimes even the simple model and bonnet. I just use defaults [eagle's] instead or another stock car assets. But yeah, the most annoying bit by far IMO is the grid icon. Difficult to skip or use a preexisting one... But it doesn't have to be top notch either.

There's also the fact that you're new to this, so it's even more important that you enjoy discovering how it all works and what you can do with the game. You're learning step by step and always have the possibility to come back to an older release to improve it.

Besides that, the material problem you describe within PT2 doesn't ring a bell at all I suppose the material must be applied to the actor somehow, but PT2 prefers the model's materials upon loading. Something like that?
And just make backups of your files at different stages of advancement, and before trying stuff out. Before finishing a mod, my development folder is always a mess with many versions and parts.

@Links: Good that you keep on progressing :) Out of the blue: are you working from a system-protected folder? (within Program Files for example, as happens with Steam)
Don't hesitate to upload nonworking files (like the copcar) so that we can tell you the issue directly. IMO the sedan and copcar being basically the same kinda vehicle, the setup should be the same as for the sedan.

About the 32X20X8 and 64X48X8 folders:
They correspond to resources used according to the resolution the game is running in (lowres/hires). So lowres stuff should be smaller than the hires stuff. AND the menu always runs in lowres.
So:
The grid icon, for example, will always go into 32X20X8\PIXELMAP
HUD/cockpit elements for the lowres mode go in that same folder ^ (personaly I never customize lowres hud and cockpit, so it defaults to the eagle's)
HUD/cockpit elements for the hires mode go into 64X48X8\PIXELMAP
The game will only look for these if the car has an appropriately named TXT file in 64X48X8\CARS (and 32X20X8\CARS if you're hardcore). Just duplicate EAGLE.TXT and edit the resources you want to change (usualy cockpit views and damage indicator). You can tweak the numbers next to them to adjust their onscreen placement (the numbers are usualy X,Y coordinates, either based on the screen (640x480), or the cockpit image (a bit larger), sometimes they can be offsets (external cam damage indicator is placed via an offset from the internal cam damage indicator position)).
Dimmed rectangles are also defined by numbers being minX minY maxX maxY.

Again, remember the stock nonstealable cars didn't even have bonnet models, let alone cockpit etc. So don't beat yourself if you don't feel like customizing your addon to 100%.

I also think continuing the C2-C1 port topic is preferable if you encounter issues etc. Then if you want, you can create a release topic of your own like Wade did.


@Joker: nice icon :)

Congrats on the first release
Despite being a bit dark for C1 (I turned the lights on ), it fits nicely in there. Great suspensions too.

I think Mastro should be credited for porting the 3D data to the BRender format?

Some details about the zip archive:
32X32X32 should be 32X20X8 (but it's empty in this case, so not necessary to include it)
64X64X64 should be 64X48X8.
You don't need to duplicate both PIX files into 64X48X8\PIXELMAP.
If you don't modify the duplicated 64X48X8\CARS\EAGLE.TXT, then you don't have to include it as the game will default to the eagle's automagically.